tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2558050635605413616.post1430819362951968738..comments2024-02-29T11:54:28.419+00:00Comments on Ed's Beer Site: Campaign for Good Beer?Edhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13844169940650659196noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2558050635605413616.post-57667488946156607382009-03-27T11:11:00.000+00:002009-03-27T11:11:00.000+00:00Tandleman, I'll drop you an email in regards to di...Tandleman, I'll drop you an email in regards to disposable kegs.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11979252489432311435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2558050635605413616.post-11883732704284986212009-03-26T21:28:00.000+00:002009-03-26T21:28:00.000+00:00Tim - Disposable? I know of plenty who sell their ...Tim - Disposable? I know of plenty who sell their beer in plastic. All are very much returnable. Tell me more.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2558050635605413616.post-84338702149478968112009-03-26T19:22:00.000+00:002009-03-26T19:22:00.000+00:00"As someone who has chaired thousands of meetings ..."As someone who has chaired thousands of meetings in work, Trade Union and CAMRA, I can assure you that feeling happens at almost all meetings (-;" - I sit through and chair meetimgs at work, many moons ago did it with the Labour Party and have in the more recent past sat through Quaker business meetings. I still have to at work as that's my job but when it comes to one's recreation it gets more difficult each time to find the motivation. Perhaps I should give it one more go?<BR/><BR/>"CAMRA - it does some fantastic work mainly carried out by volunteers" - I'm as guilty as the next person of sometimes forgetting this.Paul Garrardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06393405914271508860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2558050635605413616.post-22469872963126735182009-03-26T10:25:00.000+00:002009-03-26T10:25:00.000+00:00Tandleman - Brewdog are distributing in disposable...Tandleman - Brewdog are distributing in disposable plastic kegs and casks now. While this does add a small premium to the price of the product, it does negate the need to return kegs/casks. Surely the ongoing cost of collection and cleaning is similar to the cost of the disposable container in the long run?Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11979252489432311435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2558050635605413616.post-49780116257549786492009-03-25T23:52:00.000+00:002009-03-25T23:52:00.000+00:00"I don't think I could sit through another CAMRA m..."I don't think I could sit through another CAMRA meeting as I either lose the will to live or want to give someone a good shake."<BR/><BR/>As someone who has chaired thousands of meetings in work, Trade Union and CAMRA, I can assure you that feeling happens at almost all meetings (-;Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2558050635605413616.post-60605306494527159132009-03-25T23:49:00.000+00:002009-03-25T23:49:00.000+00:00!I have a love/hate relationship with CAMRA " So h...!I have a love/hate relationship with CAMRA " So have I mate and so do most people who do a lot of work for CAMRA. <BR/><BR/>Oh and this "real world" that CAMRA is out of touch with. Please detail. I'd like to know what I'm missing, so I can mend my ways.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2558050635605413616.post-27072232029703471102009-03-25T21:20:00.000+00:002009-03-25T21:20:00.000+00:00"I can't help but feel that someone who spends the..."I can't help but feel that someone who spends their free time writing a beer blog is on dangerous ground when they start mocking others."<BR/>It might be dangerous but it can sometimes be jolly good fun!<BR/><BR/>I have a love/hate relationship with CAMRA - it does some fantastic work mainly carried out by volunteers but at the same time seems a little out of touch with the real world - I don't think I could sit through another CAMRA meeting as I either lose the will to live or want to give someone a good shake. It's my age!Paul Garrardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06393405914271508860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2558050635605413616.post-55055244819853558192009-03-25T18:00:00.000+00:002009-03-25T18:00:00.000+00:00Good point, but breweries do reach a size where th...Good point, but breweries do reach a size where they want to start selling things further afield. The brewery I worked at managed to flog a load of cask beer abroad (they made sure they'd got a hefty deposit on the casks first). It got held up at customs and turned to vinegar.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13844169940650659196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2558050635605413616.post-67048925923621090722009-03-25T16:02:00.000+00:002009-03-25T16:02:00.000+00:00There is a point to add here. One of the biggest p...There is a point to add here. One of the biggest problems a small brewery has is getting its containers back. Kegging beer won't solve that. And plenty northern brewers do send cask beers south. That's where reciprocal arrangements and beer agencies come in. They also ensure casks are rapidly recycled. The industry is a lot more complicated than most think.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2558050635605413616.post-61495262428776287982009-03-25T15:17:00.000+00:002009-03-25T15:17:00.000+00:00LOL! Excellent idea for the CAMRA sexy men calenda...LOL! Excellent idea for the CAMRA sexy men calendar it's sure to be a best seller. <BR/><BR/>As to keg being better for transport, yes that's true, but the beer might start the same but it won't come out the in cask or keg versions. I supect with keg beers you'd probably be better off with doing something like what Fullers does with bottled Pride and ESB and bumping up the strength a bit to get more flavour.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13844169940650659196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2558050635605413616.post-58891474655921767342009-03-25T15:07:00.000+00:002009-03-25T15:07:00.000+00:00Yeah, they do have an image problem. They need a S...Yeah, they do have an image problem. They need a Sexy Men of CAMRA calender or something along those lines.Whorsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01784943453195129865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2558050635605413616.post-12697976292131487812009-03-25T09:41:00.000+00:002009-03-25T09:41:00.000+00:00I think packaging is about choice. It's not practi...I think packaging is about choice. It's not practical for small micro's in the north to send casks down to London, or overseas. Put the same beer in a keg and you don't have that problem.<BR/>CAMRA does seem to have an image problem, but instead of constantly critising it, I am thinking about joining so I can do something about it. This won't stop me CAMRA bashing and slinging crap at weird beards though!Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11979252489432311435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2558050635605413616.post-72735441918629170292009-03-24T21:07:00.000+00:002009-03-24T21:07:00.000+00:00Artist formerly known as Wurst: I'm quite happy to...Artist formerly known as Wurst: I'm quite happy to make do (particularly if the alternative is not drinking!), and as said I definitely rate some draft keg beers over some cask beers. I do, in general, prefer cask to keg though. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Tandleman: Thanks for the link (and thanks to the Artist formerly known as Wurst too).<BR/><BR/>Yes, CAMRA did fight off the red (barrel) menace but that was a few decades back and there does seem to be a feeling CAMRA hasn't moved on enough. <BR/><BR/>And don't take the beardy wierdy thing to heart. It was meant to be a bit of self depreciating humour as I'd criticised exactly that line earlier in my post and I'd said I'm a CAMRA member myself. I don't have a beard though. Or a beer gut. But I'm not saying anything about the farting.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13844169940650659196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2558050635605413616.post-43748847344312596602009-03-24T19:33:00.000+00:002009-03-24T19:33:00.000+00:00I think people are forgetting why CAMRA was formed...I think people are forgetting why CAMRA was formed in the first place. It was to fight the tide of tasteless keg beer and protect cask conditioned real ale. While it is nice to know about how succulent some Yankee keg beers are, it is neither here nor there as far as UK keg beers are concerned, as the vast majority are still dire. I too have drunk excellent US keg beers. So what? It isn't the case here and we don't campaign in the US.<BR/><BR/>As for attending CAMRA meetings or not, suit yourself. It isn't for everyone. Oh and as for beardy weirdies, these are by far in the minority and not at the forefront of anything, except maybe farting, but as most don't attend CAMRA meetings despite what you might think, (unless you are in the South where most of them seem to hail from) that's not a great worry. <BR/><BR/>Good to have you in the blogging world. Keep telling it as you see it. Now I've discovered you (thanks Sausage) I'll put a link to you on my blog.<BR/><BR/>PS<BR/><BR/>This is a good statement:<BR/><BR/>"I can't help but feel that someone who spends their free time writing a beer blog is on dangerous ground when they start mocking others."Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2558050635605413616.post-5504445281512165142009-03-24T18:51:00.000+00:002009-03-24T18:51:00.000+00:00I like to consider myself a drinker, with a knowle...I like to consider myself a drinker, with a knowledge of beer. With knowledge comes the acceptance that not everything is the same, and you make do. And another point, how good does it really have to be? I'm in agreement that there's something very nice about cask conditioned ales. But in saying that, there's some ales that are also very nice kegged. Take a trip to San Diego for the proof. Anyone who would say it's crap because it's not cask conditioned is a fool. CAMRA has instilled into the everyday Joe that keg beer is inferior to cask beer. But is it really? It's subjective. <BR/>Would you rather have a pint of John Smith's Magnet on cask, or Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA from the keg? Granted there are differences in Abv, but I'd take the Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA. There are some cask beers that I won't even rate. I can't stand Fuller's ESB on cask, but love it in keg form. If I had the choice of drinking Samuel Smith's OBB, or a bottle of their Pale Ale, I'd take the Pale Ale, which I believe is their Museum Ale in bottled form. Museum is no longer available in cask form, but it's quite possibly the best cask conditioned beer I've ever drank.Whorsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01784943453195129865noreply@blogger.com